“”Vous nous avez apporté le beau temps” est une expression populaire souvent dite par les français, c’est du language courant.
” j’amenerais ma cousine avec moi ” se dit en Bretagne comme directement traduit du breton, mais ce n’est pas du bon français, on doit dire : j’emmenerais ma cousine avec moi ou je viendrais avec ma cousine.
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Rosemary Kneipp
March 28th, 2014 at 11:19 am
Merci, je ne savais pas qu’on disait également “vous nous avez apporté le beau temps”.
Par contre, le premier exemple de “amener” dans le dictionnaire Larousse est “Amenez votre ami à la maison”, sans préciser que c’est du langage courant, avec la définition suivante: Faire venir quelqu’un avec soi !
I don’t have much trouble with apporter, but I always confuse amener and emmener. Luckily with my accent, no one can tell the difference. 😉
Rosemary Kneipp
March 29th, 2014 at 11:03 pm
Yes, that’s one of the advantage of having an accent, isn’t it?
Jacqueline
March 30th, 2014 at 6:42 pm
Thank you for doing this. I am going to send this to the members of my class and will give you their feedback (they’re adults0.
You took a hard grammatical point to differentiate and did a great job in my opinion!
Rosemary Kneipp
March 30th, 2014 at 11:10 pm
Thanks Jacqueline. I’ll be interested to hear the feedback!
Flocon
March 31st, 2014 at 1:50 am
The différence between “amener” et “emmener” is quite simple :
Amener : To Bring in (bring your friend in, it’s a long time I haven’t seen her)
Emmener : To Take away (take that dog away, it needs walking)
Now the pronounciations are so close I understand it is very undiscernable for non native French speakers.
Rosemary Kneipp
March 31st, 2014 at 9:29 am
Hello and thank you for your comment. I think English-speakers actually have more problems distinguishing between apporter and amener than amener/emmener although people who don’t use “bring” and “take” correctly probably find it difficult. Although it’s not quite that cut and dried, as can be seen in the examples given in the Larousse French dictionary for amener and emmener that I quoted: ce bus vous emmènera à la Tour Eiffel and ce bus vous amène à la gare.
In English we would only say “bring your friend in” as opposed to leaving her outside in the street. (Fais entrer ton amie, ne reste pas dehors) rather than “bring your friend in, I haven’t seen her for a long time”. Perhaps just “bring your friend” or “bring your friend along” if you use amener in French. The same for “take that dog away” which would mean I don’t want to see that dog any more (emmnène ce chien et ne le ramène plus). We’d be more likely to say “Take the dog out. It needs walking”. That’s the problem with prepositions in English – they usually change the meaning of the verb.
Jacqueline
March 31st, 2014 at 1:25 pm
You are exactly right or exactly why everyone has a problem. Another student just emailed me saying that apporter vs. amener is still an enigma for him. It is very tricky ! They have little problem with emmener and amener.
Rosemary Kneipp
March 31st, 2014 at 4:40 pm
Maybe your student could try a couple of sentences involving “take” and see if they are correct.
Jacqueline
March 31st, 2014 at 2:15 am
So far the feedback has been positive. They all are similar to this one I got from one of the women in the class:
Merci Jacqueline!
C’est une très bonne explication et je comprends beaucoup mieux!
If I remember correctly, amener refers to persons or pets (a’men’er is constructed from “la main”) and apporter to objects (objects have no hands, they’re being carried).
Many native French speakers simply ignore their own language and couldn’t tell the difference mais malgré tout, dans la langue parlée courante, personne ne dira : je t’apporte à la gare mais bien je t’emmène à la gare (unless you’re dealing with a very, very retarded peasant).
Ou : N’oublie pas d’apporter le vin et non : N’oublie pas d’amener le vin (mais là la faute est souvent faite, c’est vrai).
Mais si vous en êtes à ce niveau de précision c’est que votre français est déjà most excellent indeed!
Rosemary Kneipp
April 2nd, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Hi Flocon and thank you for this additional information. “Apporter” does indeed refer to people and pets and is definitely the easiest to grasp. It’s the sometimes subtle difference between amener/emmener that creates the most difficulty for Anglosaxons.
Most of my Friday’s French posts are based on errors that I hear around me (including those made by the French themselves!). After 39 years living in France and 35 as a translator, French has, indeed, become almost my native language.
Tour guide talking. The bus is right there. It’s taking you with it from the (conceptual) start of it’s journey.
* Ce bus vous amène à la gare.
This bus (we’ll call it number 9) will get you to the station if you take it. It runs a normal route and will pick you up, bring you to the station, and then carry on.
That’s how I’m going to try to remember it all anyway. Thanks for a great post.
Rosemary Kneipp
November 5th, 2017 at 7:08 pm
Hi, your two sentences are correct but the first one is more commun than the second. I think you could maybe choose another example for amener. Il a amené son ami avec lui à la Tour Eiffel.
“”Vous nous avez apporté le beau temps” est une expression populaire souvent dite par les français, c’est du language courant.
” j’amenerais ma cousine avec moi ” se dit en Bretagne comme directement traduit du breton, mais ce n’est pas du bon français, on doit dire : j’emmenerais ma cousine avec moi ou je viendrais avec ma cousine.
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Merci, je ne savais pas qu’on disait également “vous nous avez apporté le beau temps”.
Par contre, le premier exemple de “amener” dans le dictionnaire Larousse est “Amenez votre ami à la maison”, sans préciser que c’est du langage courant, avec la définition suivante: Faire venir quelqu’un avec soi !
I don’t have much trouble with apporter, but I always confuse amener and emmener. Luckily with my accent, no one can tell the difference. 😉
Yes, that’s one of the advantage of having an accent, isn’t it?
Thank you for doing this. I am going to send this to the members of my class and will give you their feedback (they’re adults0.
You took a hard grammatical point to differentiate and did a great job in my opinion!
Thanks Jacqueline. I’ll be interested to hear the feedback!
The différence between “amener” et “emmener” is quite simple :
Amener : To Bring in (bring your friend in, it’s a long time I haven’t seen her)
Emmener : To Take away (take that dog away, it needs walking)
Now the pronounciations are so close I understand it is very undiscernable for non native French speakers.
Hello and thank you for your comment. I think English-speakers actually have more problems distinguishing between apporter and amener than amener/emmener although people who don’t use “bring” and “take” correctly probably find it difficult. Although it’s not quite that cut and dried, as can be seen in the examples given in the Larousse French dictionary for amener and emmener that I quoted: ce bus vous emmènera à la Tour Eiffel and ce bus vous amène à la gare.
In English we would only say “bring your friend in” as opposed to leaving her outside in the street. (Fais entrer ton amie, ne reste pas dehors) rather than “bring your friend in, I haven’t seen her for a long time”. Perhaps just “bring your friend” or “bring your friend along” if you use amener in French. The same for “take that dog away” which would mean I don’t want to see that dog any more (emmnène ce chien et ne le ramène plus). We’d be more likely to say “Take the dog out. It needs walking”. That’s the problem with prepositions in English – they usually change the meaning of the verb.
You are exactly right or exactly why everyone has a problem. Another student just emailed me saying that apporter vs. amener is still an enigma for him. It is very tricky ! They have little problem with emmener and amener.
Maybe your student could try a couple of sentences involving “take” and see if they are correct.
So far the feedback has been positive. They all are similar to this one I got from one of the women in the class:
Merci Jacqueline!
C’est une très bonne explication et je comprends beaucoup mieux!
A demain,
Grace
I’m delighted!
Hmmm… there are two issues here :
*Amener/emmener
*Apporter/amener
If I remember correctly, amener refers to persons or pets (a’men’er is constructed from “la main”) and apporter to objects (objects have no hands, they’re being carried).
Many native French speakers simply ignore their own language and couldn’t tell the difference mais malgré tout, dans la langue parlée courante, personne ne dira : je t’apporte à la gare mais bien je t’emmène à la gare (unless you’re dealing with a very, very retarded peasant).
Ou : N’oublie pas d’apporter le vin et non : N’oublie pas d’amener le vin (mais là la faute est souvent faite, c’est vrai).
See here.
Mais si vous en êtes à ce niveau de précision c’est que votre français est déjà most excellent indeed!
Hi Flocon and thank you for this additional information. “Apporter” does indeed refer to people and pets and is definitely the easiest to grasp. It’s the sometimes subtle difference between amener/emmener that creates the most difficulty for Anglosaxons.
Most of my Friday’s French posts are based on errors that I hear around me (including those made by the French themselves!). After 39 years living in France and 35 as a translator, French has, indeed, become almost my native language.
Or there if you really insist… 😉
thank you for your excellent posts. I am an american practicing my french. They are superbly helpful!
I’m so glad you enjoy them!
An old post but excellent one. Along with https://www.frenchtoday.com/blog/amener-emmener-apporter-emporter-remporter-bring-take-french I think I have a grasp on it now.
As for the bus and amener/emmener I would argue
* Ce bus vous emmènera jusqu’à la Tour Eiffel.
Tour guide talking. The bus is right there. It’s taking you with it from the (conceptual) start of it’s journey.
* Ce bus vous amène à la gare.
This bus (we’ll call it number 9) will get you to the station if you take it. It runs a normal route and will pick you up, bring you to the station, and then carry on.
That’s how I’m going to try to remember it all anyway. Thanks for a great post.
Hi, your two sentences are correct but the first one is more commun than the second. I think you could maybe choose another example for amener. Il a amené son ami avec lui à la Tour Eiffel.
this one is also very clear: https://www.frenchspanishonline.com/magazine/emporter-vs-emmener-apporter-vs-amener/